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Thread: My 9900 suddentlystarted printing bands, refilled but Refill cart is not recognised..

  1. #11
    Epson makes money selling ink (and not their printers) so their word is to be taken with a grain of salt. That said, Epson x900 printers are legendarily problematic related to head failure. (This forum, Epson Wide Format forum, and all the rest of them that deal with these printers have just thousands of threads about this.) I have printed with this generation of print-head for about decade (it appeared in the 64" wide epson 11880 which I was the first to actually run in North America in Chicago well before working at IJM) and never made it past 2.5 years on a single head with Epson OEM carts and inks. I would say the max life-span on these print-heads is 5 years but only if you're using an ink that is encapsulated carbon particles like Piezography ink and if you are switching out other parts every year. For any color pigment (Epson or ConeColor, don't use non-encapsulate pigment inks) it will give you between 1.5 and 4.5 depending upon if you replace the dampers and cleaning assembly preemptively or not. If you scrape the head on film or thick material and print with clogged nozzles, this can burn it out quickly.

    We use two Epson 9900s at Cone Editions Press (and we have lots of 7880s with original heads that have been running cone-color and piezography ink for up to 8 years!) and for the x900s we lease them with extended warranties. We just preemptively replace the dampers, cleaning assemblies, and print-heads on these printers (under warranty). For a lab that is always printing, this is the way to go. Pay a little every month and you get to replace whatever moving parts go bad without a financial penalty.

    As a professional lab, we rely on our own inks and we are right at the ground level with everyone. If it was not a stable system, we wouldn't have sold it and used it ourselves (professionally) for so many years.

    all the best,
    Walker
    Last edited by walkerblackwell; May 9th, 2017 at 05:14 PM. Reason: typo, clarity

  2. #12
    I agree with you.
    I do not think Cone ink is the cause.

    1. I was/am not very experienced with printing, cannot attend the Epson always, employees handle it, many times must be printed without caring if proper head cleaning is done or not.
    2. There were long intervals at times in between the printer was idle, without printing.

    I didnt dare to use any other 3rd party inks,though many available much cheaper than Cone: I was just replacing Epson inks with Cone, with trust, I am still holding it.

    In fact, if proper training is given in Cone ink system and Epson Service, I see very big market in India, for Cone, which can be tapped.

    I didnt need a 9900 just for Black Positive printing, but I bought it as a multipurpose high quality machine, head if damaged can be added as will, as per necessity.

    >>>depending upon if you replace the dampers and cleaning assembly preemptively or not<<< Correct. But there is nobody to advise me on such printer friendly aspects and precautionary measures. Local Epson service is too poor, they are just seller of Epson inks and parts, they are happy is a machine is down...

    Mostly I will be visiting USA in August -September, while I will allocate time to come to IJM.

  3. #13
    Ok.
    1. What is the exact reason(s) why a Head become 'blown out', rather than 'blocked permanently or sort? I mean why the term 'blown out' and how it is blown out?
    2. As this problem is not repairable, two of my Nozzles: Cyan and Orange are gone permanently, as you diagnose. That means I can no longer use these nozzels for color printing, by any means. In that case, Acuprint or other RIP software has little to do to improve or usability of the printer. Well, by adopting ALL (rest 9) Nozzles to Black,I can save cost of other colors. Correct? Is this reversible later, say by flushing out black ink from color channels and filling respective colors and get a decent color print ?

    3. Another possibility is I can do away with Orange(useful for orange-dominated images), and convert Light Cyan Nozzle to Cyan and continue as it is now, so that I can print colors too but without Light cyan and Orange. Correct.

    4. Can I do it by using a Cyan Chip on Light Cyan Cart ?

    I am trying to use it as it is with CMYK color printability intact, without LC and Orange special shades.

    Please advise.

  4. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by Sunny Alan View Post
    Ok.
    1. What is the exact reason(s) why a Head become 'blown out', rather than 'blocked permanently or sort? I mean why the term 'blown out' and how it is blown out?
    2. As this problem is not repairable, two of my Nozzles: Cyan and Orange are gone permanently, as you diagnose. That means I can no longer use these nozzels for color printing, by any means. In that case, Acuprint or other RIP software has little to do to improve or usability of the printer. Well, by adopting ALL (rest 9) Nozzles to Black,I can save cost of other colors. Correct? Is this reversible later, say by flushing out black ink from color channels and filling respective colors and get a decent color print ?

    3. Another possibility is I can do away with Orange(useful for orange-dominated images), and convert Light Cyan Nozzle to Cyan and continue as it is now, so that I can print colors too but without Light cyan and Orange. Correct.

    4. Can I do it by using a Cyan Chip on Light Cyan Cart ?

    I am trying to use it as it is with CMYK color printability intact, without LC and Orange special shades.

    Please advise.
    Your reply and advice is valuable for my decision to buy appropriate inks from IJM, so please reply ASAP.

    Regards,
    Sunny

  5. #15
    Did I say/ do anything bad or against the law of this Forum, nobody replying to my reasonable queries even after 3 days ?

  6. #16
    Sorry. I did not reply as this was not directed at cone-color products + it got stuck in the undertoe of my massive amounts of incoming emails during weekends (Friday-Sunday for us at IJM).

    Epson drivers do not allow for ink channel control directly. If you want to do this you will need a RIP (Studioprint, etc) that has full channel control. This will require a spectrophotometer and other hardware. If you have all these, then you will be able to go about changing this into a direct CMYK system and you'd be able to put the ink wherever you want in the printer, but if you do not have these items, purchasing them will equal the cost of a new printer.

    I can say that I'm exploring building RIP solution based on open-source code that would enable people with x900 (and SureColor P-series) heads that have blown channels to down-size to non-orange non-green printing, but that is only in the initial stages.

    best,
    Walker

  7. #17
    Thank you Walker
    Sorry I felt left high and dry....

    Now to continue as it is, printing film positives in Matte Black(CCPRO-MK-700), without Cyan and Orange, I prefer to buy 2 bottles of CCPRO-MK-700, one or two empty carts and a set of chips from you.
    Do I need to buy PezoFlush to clean the Nozzles? Anything more that may improve the situation?

    Please let me know, so that I can place Order today itself.

    Regards,
    Sunny Alan

  8. #18
    You do not need PiezoFlush for the channels that are working.

    For the channels that are not working, PiezoFlush won't cure them because they are dead. Just keep the current cartridges in there and print with the working channels (black only).

    best,
    Walker

  9. #19
    Thanks.
    I need to place Order for :
    1. Matte Black(CCPRO-MK-700) x2 bottles
    2. Empty refillable Carts: 2 Nos
    3. Addl. Chips for all channels except Cyan and Orange

    Is it possible to despatch in order to reach Grayson, Atlanta by Thursday 25 or 26th Friday at New York ? Payment from USA.
    Please help.

  10. #20
    Please call inkjetmall to place the order. We do not handle sales on this forum.

    best,
    Walker

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